They are all gone astray

A point skeptics often make is that

when talking about new or alternative therapies that are not supported by good clinical trial evidence is that lower-level evidence, such as theoretical justifications, anecdotes, and pre-clinical research like in vitro studies and animal model testing, can only be suggestive, never reliable proof of safety or efficacy. 

A point I often make is that

so-called legit science is not any better. How many times have we heard of falsified, bent, twisted, bought and sold clinical trials done over and over again and chosen and picked to get the answer Big Money WANTS to get?

It is exactly the same between theists, atheists and antitheists.  I highly respect a man like Hume or Sagan who although very intelligent has the humility to admit that ( and it is more than often the only admission available in anything and everything) we don't know enough.  More than often this admission will come from a professed atheist or at least agnostic.  Believers are usually either too emotional, too ignorant and too proud to admit doubts and questions of any kind or that they might be wrong and entirely deluded.

On a side note, speaking of names and epithets and little ganging of all sorts why don't we ever hear of masculinists? :) To defend us from the extreme right over bearing feminists, to restore some sort of balance? Ducks and runs now.

Exhausting indeed to check out everybody's POV.  I guess the only guru I will ever have from now on is myself and even then that guru is not very reliable I tell you.  But they all go astray, all of them. To paraphrase the KJV here, they all are corrupt, all, they all have done shit works, there is not one that does any good. None understand fuck all. They have all gone their own way, taken the wrong turn. 

They are ALL ABSOLUTELY FULL OF SHIT, ALL OF 'EM. 

None of  'em doeth good, no, not one 
and especially those who called themselves my people.
Those who don't are not any better.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psa 14:2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Psa 14:3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

I was beginning to like some of Hitchens  works and words but then again he was all over the place, left, right and centre and extreme left and extreme right too so he was BOUND to have it right somewhere at some time for a millisecond.  He was deadly wrong on war of course and sucking up to the powers that be at one time and full of himself too but aren't we all? He and I and You and Me and All of us. Dawkins never really got in my boat either, 50 pages of him is all I could handle, he wasn't going anywhere, wasn't proving anything and basically is just afraid that his wife will kick him out if he believes, quite some intellectuals we have in the 21st century I tell you.  Speaking of here is another mind blowing "POLL" just to prove that humans polls are just that, HUMAN! Frail and irrational and emotional and twisted and corrupted and cheated and bought and as always absolutely full of shit. I mean look at this!!! FFS!

If this is the best man can produce we are in deep deep shit.

Maybe pigs and monkeys should have a list too.

C'est la vie say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell.

If only I'd listen to myself now!
I wouldn't be here with my own bullshit
annoying the hell out of everyone else's bullshit right? :)

and the wife says I've been telling HIM that for 11 years now :)